The Palatines are one of the more fascinating people who migrated to America in my opinion because of all they overcame and went on to contribute. I guess that is the very meaning of redevelopment. The old ship ties still exist at St. Katherines docks. While By Sarah Fitzpatrick, Tom Winter, Ken Dilanian and Michael Kosnar. http://doriswheeler.org/ui24.htm, Doris, Thank you for the reply. It was quite a surprise to me some years ago when I learnt that my Irish branch was in fact German! There were also many Germans residing in Savannah; besides some forty of fifty Moravians in the same state under the pastoral care for the Rev. My 7th great grandfather was one of these Palatines. I have "A History of Herkimer County" by Nathaniel Soley Benton, "Early Families of Herkimer County New York" by William V.H. About 470 died on the journey. The pirates stripped the ship of everything valuable, leaving only clothing sufficient for their nakedness. Many of these men were assigned so-called Hunter List numbers when they arrived in New York State. 860-388-4656 Fax. Roberta, thank you for your insightful article concerning my Palatine ancestors and their dreadful experience enroute from Germany to the new world. I am not convinced that he was Catholic. There are no projects for either Egli, Suder or Sonsst. The Poor Palatines as they came to be called were some 13,000 Germans whoarrived inEngland between May and November 1709 in response to a false rumor that the Queen was giving free land in America. Its not there now. History of New York, Vol. There were many Schaffers in this group, according to Henry Z. Jones, Jr., The Palatine Families of New York 1710. Jones notes the religious flexibility of these early German immigrants. Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. 78 Mannor of Livingston 29 September 1711. . their several arrivals at this place and ye other side Hudson River (the first being ye 6 October) to this day make 89 days. of the records there with the result that the ledger accounts of Governor Sonsst could easily have been corrupted into something I wouldnt recognize today. Anybody know where I can get one? Perhaps doing business with these 1709ers while they were at St. Katherines by (or near) the stairs was the father of Simon Siron. Consider where and how the work was published. There were four Board of Trade lists of the first 6520 Palatines to arrive in 1709. Johann Jurgh (George), Jr. and his wife Gertraud had children recorded in Pastor Sommers Family List at the Fall ca. In 1735 there were 268 German immigrants who arrived in the port. Excellent summary about the Palatines travails in England. RootsWeb is funded and supported by Jones, Henry Z., Jr. and Lewis Bunker Rohrbach. He came from the Palatinate to Pennsylvania, then to Maryland, and about 1783 to Rockingham Co., Virginia. Ancestry Family moves to Schoharie Area 1712-1722 February 13, 2019. He had a daughter with her, who also came to NY. I believe that there were 39 families that came with Mr Weiser, following the head waters of the Susquehanna River, to Swatara Creek at modern day Harrisburg PA, and they followed the creek and went and additional twenty some miles and settled what is known today as The Tulpehocken Settlement. They were those of whom Governor Thomas said, 1738: 'This Province has been for some years the asylum of the distressed Protestants of the Palatinate, and other parts of Germany; and I believe, it may truthfully he said, that the present flourishing condition of it is in a great measure owing to the industry of those people; it is not altogether the fertility of the soil, but the number and industry of the people, that makes a country flourish.'. Altogether about 470 Palatines died on the voyage and during their first month in New York (Jones, op.cit.). They however, changed their minds and established themselves in the asylum for the oppressed, Pennsylvania. These were, for some time, in a destitute condition - wholly depending upon the charity of the inhabitants of the English metropolis. The DNA test shows some German DNA, but a lot of the DNA from the German I think gets lumped in with England/Wales/Northern Europe on Ancestry. Another family line arrived in Philadelphia in 1738 they are not part of the 1709/10 group, but they *did* come from the Palatinate in roughly the same era, from from Bosenbach near Kusel. Gender Male Check with the publisher to see if there is a digitized version available or if they will republish soon. Hunter in New York 1710 Aug. 31 - John Philip Lepper, 12, orphan bound to John Hallock of Brookhaven Sept. 14 - Justina Mona, 12, orphan bound Background. been discovered, but by eliminating those of known location the balance must Ten thousand died for want of sustenance, medical attendance, and from other causes. Somewhere I read that today there are about 2 thousand of Johans descendants roaming the planet. IMPORTANT PRIVACY NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO USE CAUTION WHEN DISTRIBUTING PRIVATE INFORMATION. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. One of the places I was really looking forward to seeing was the Tower of London so I could, from there, hopefully, see St. Katherines by the Tower. Source: http://person.ancestry.com/tree/47958584/person/12967180411. Jacob Cobels wife was Anna Marie Egli and they had daughter Maria Barbara after their arrival in the US. -- Smith-62120 05:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC). doriswh@gmail.com June 14th: WebPalatine Children Apprenticed by Gov. We had a parcel that came over about five years ago, who purchased land about sixty miles west of Philadelphia, and proved quiet and industrious.". This could not have come at a better time as we had planned to meet this week to discuss how we might incorporate DNA genealogy into encouraging more people to research their 1709 Palatine ancestors. Often these sources are the best (or only) information we have to work with regarding an individual or a family group. of interest and is here given: (Badly A supply of naval stores from this arrangement, had been confidently anticipated. Some 1250 houses were demolished, together with the medieval hospital and church of St. Katharine. Its excellent! Compiled from the records in London and Presented to the descendants of the I have added the resources which you listed on that page. (N), New York city. ). Gentlemen of Albany having purchased land around them, to hem them in. If you qualify, please contact me. An intensely built-up 23 acre site was earmarked for redevelopment by an Act of Parliament in 1825, with construction commencing in May 1827. The vines froze and put thousands of people out of work including Daniel. His findings, which include beautiful photographs of the villages where immigrants originated, and the old churches where they worshipped, have been published: Jones shares the following strategies, learned from experience, for genealogists who wish to trace the German origins of Colonial Americans: Many of these families appear in Reformed and Lutheran church books in New York. In October, Im also visiting the area to retrace their journey in New York, and the book will give me some vivid historical background. Their health wasnt improving by living in those squalid conditions, either. Or browse general columns by searching follows names and sums of money to cash). NOTE: In Palatine Families of New York, Hank Jones lists the last name as "Haas," and his family has a different point of origin than Johann Christian Hau. p. My ancestors, the 1709ers, camped there and I wanted to visit that area or at least see it from a distance. They sailed from Philadelphia, but their ship was overtaken by pirates. - North Dakota State FB Hunter Luepke - per NFL Network - Mississippi State OLB Tyrus Wheat - per NFL Network, which adds it's a "deal that includes a $20,000 signing 5/1231. Ive found that the definitive genealogical work for our 1710s (when many arrived in the American Colonies) is The Palatine Families of New York: a study of the German immigrants who arrived in colonial New York in 1710, Henry Z. Jones The many posts here with resources and stories speaks to the continued interest. They had been reduced to the most extreme poverty. It brought history to life in a very memorable way. During the Spanish and French War, in 1746, Waldoborough was laid in ashes by some Canadian Indians. Another option is to have your father have his Y-DNA done on Familytree DNA and then he/you can join the Palatine and/or German Y-DNA projects. My spouses ex is the Defoe-Reiffenberger descendant. York in the spring following and not sent up till April and May. The benevolent Queen Anne formed the design for the protection of her transatlantic frontier, by establishing new settlements, for displaced Lutheran and Protestant families of the German Palatine who were allies in King William's War 1684-97 ( England, Holland & Germany ) "the Grand Alliance" and Queen Anne's War "the Spanish Succession" 1700-13 against Louis XIV King of France ( Roman Catholic Church ). Doris contacted me after reading an article I wrote about X chromosome mapping and said that she had identified the parents of my Barbara Kobel who I had mentioned in the article as an end of line person in other words a brick wall. They established roots, mainly in the Rathkeale area of County Limerick, Ireland, where about 1,200 of them settled on the estate of Thomas Southwell.Other colonies were set up in Old Ross and Gorey, County Wexford and in Counties Cork and Dublin. My ancestors were Palatinate immigrants that settled on the Mohawk River upstream from the Hudson River in NY during that time period, too. Dickinson, the Michigan star who entered the transfer portal last month, will visit Villanova on Friday. Here they were exposed, without protection against their many foes, for five years Not one of them entered the promised paradise. They depended more upon themselves than upon others. 770 E Dundee Rd, Palatine, IL 60074 (708) 733-7750. I too descend from Jost Henrich Schaffer http://doriswheeler.org/p133.htm#i3962 and many more Palatines. There is a Palatine Project on FTDNA: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/palatine-dna-project/about/background, The is a companion site for the FTDNA Palatine DNA Project at http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/palatine. Hopefully we can work together to help you in your research into your Palatine ancestors and help the larger community of Palatine descendants. There is an Irish Palatine Heritage Centre in Rathkeale, (near Limerick and Adare),Co. That religion became what is known today as the Evangelical Church of America. Knittle, Walter Allen. The majority came from regions outside the Palatinate and often against the wishes of their respective rulers, they fled by the thousands down the Rhine River to the Dutch city of Rotterdam,where the majority eventually embarked for London. Thank you for drawing attention to more sources for our Palatine Project. They were made of strong stuff indeed. The letter accompanying the Ration Lists fromt he London compilers will be A book published recently should be considered doubtful if it lacks good standard reference citations. King George II of Great Britain, held out strong inducements, through very liberal promises, to all who would emigrate into, and settle Nova Scotia, when a considerable body of German, principally Hanoverians, left their country, embarked for America, landed at Chebucto Bay, near Halifax, the capital of Nova Scotia, where fourteen hundred and fifty-three re-embarked and landed at Marliguish, on the 7th of june, 1753. After the fall of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806, the Palatine nationality came to refer specifically to people of the Rhenish Palatinate, known simply as "the Palatinate".. American Palatines, e.g. Bremen, a village in the same county, and Frankfort, in Waldo county, were undoubtedly laid out, or settled by Germans, as the names would indicate. Over the following three years, more than two thirds of the Irish Palatine settlers left Ireland [Note from me: reluctant to pay rent, angered by landlords and reception of some R.C. Many became ill and the entire fleet was ravaged by ships fever (known today as typhus) which caused the deaths of many passengers (The Palatine Families of New York 1710 by Henry Z. Jones). Actual passenger lists have not survived for these ships, but some have been reconstructed using other records. Aug. 12th: where I found tons of info by searching we welcome you to use the information provided on this web site by copying . Hunter Dickinsons next college could bring him back to his high school days. of age and 4d per diem for children under 10 years. The western part of it was combined with the eastern part of Rowan County to form Guilford County. Epic Urgent Care PC. It has been a most rewarding journey through our family history. There was no relief of any kind from the government and many people were starving. Notice they have a separate project for mtDNA. Average annual salary was $99,533 and median salary was $99,696. Mannor of Livingston 31 December 1710. She sent 10 ships to New York and promised to settle them in the Schoharie Valley on land offered by the Mohawk Indians. the (Best for messages specifically directed to those editing this profile. (E) Thank you so much for this interesting article on the Palatinates. Doris Wheeler followed by the surname I was looking for. Y DNA testing can give us those answers, but we need a male from the surname lines in question to test. Their descendants forgot the German language, and have adopted the French; but the name of many clearly indicate the blood coursing in their veins; nevertheless more than one name has been so frenchified as to appear of Gallic parentage. Doris. Welcome Page of the Schoharie County NYGenWeb Site. The Y-DNA I inherited is RL-21 which is mostly found in the British Isles and can be found around the people who live along the Rhine River. Most of us are still there. Similar heading for 4 days 28 june to this day. The third of the parent colonies, ,is the place where the most famous Irish Palatines lived. In 1712, they purchases a large tract of land from Penn's agents in Pequae, then Chester, now Lancaster county. Weve been to Oppenheim on the Rhine and Ive visited the church where Johannes and Magdalena were married. . The Governor's record of his payments for the subsistence of the 847 Palatine families 1710-1712 survives today as the so-called Hunter Susistence Lists. If your dad has the surname youre looking for, I recommend that he take a Y-DNA test (FamilyTreeDNA.com). By Sarah Fitzpatrick, Tom Winter, Ken Dilanian and Michael Kosnar. They were forced to subsist on unhealthy food. Map of Major Palatine Try http://www.bookfinder.com from time to time. Limerick Southwell had retained only 10 families but by 1714 he had settled about 130 families on his lands, and the region around his demesne has retained the largest concentration of Irish Palatine residents to this day in Killeheen, Ballingrane, and Courtmatrix., There is an Irish Palatine Genealogy group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1688860294729114/ I have followed them and subsequent generations. ), For a couple of contemporary articles about this 1735 fire, see With all of the frustration and disappointment, I just wanted to cry. Evidently his father was a German merchant of some sort, being called a Schiffer and a shopkeeper. Mohawk Valley Heads of Families They lived some time at German town, and in the vicinity of Philadelphia. They are my 7th-great-grandparents. I descend from Jacob Borst one of the Palatine emigrants. Between forty and fifty thousand left their native country "their hearths where soft affections dwell." Hudson~Mohawk~Schoharie .91 days from 26 March. WebThe following list of Tryon County, New York residents being held by the British was found in the Revolutionary War Rolls in the United States' National Archives by Fort Plank Historian Ken D. Johnson on June 4, 2008. Lists to England, 2nd to 6th Sailings, Names We had to find a different hotel. Governor Hunter's Ration Lists A The project seems to be managed by WorldConnect.org now and Im not even a member and cant be under their rules. Simmendinger Register. 10 New York 4th July 1710. Embarkation Lists to England, 2nd to 6th Sailings. In 1719, Jonathan Dickinson remarked; "We are daily expecting ships from London, which bring over Palatines, in number about six or seven thousand. One reason is the revelation last week that the Biden for President campaign helped to organize the open letter that spread disinformation about Hunter Bidens famous Typhus continued to decimate the emigrants. June, 1710 to September, 1714 I checked the Palatine DNA Project for Schaffer and was shocked to find none listed. WebPalatine Ships to New York in 1710 These 12 ships left London in December 1709 and carried about 3200 Palatine immigrants to New York. 55 Mannor of Lobingston 25 March 1711. . Doris Wheeler. Many of the migrants who lived near each other in New York, came from the same hometowns in Germany. I am so thankful to have even more information on my ancestors! IMPORTANT PRIVACY NOTICE & DISCLAIMER: YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO USE CAUTION WHEN DISTRIBUTING PRIVATE INFORMATION. My ancestors wouldnt recognize it. I have several male cousins with that surname, so their Y chromosome might be good for you study. [1] Three principal sources documenting the identities of individuals involved in this large migration are: (1) The Rotterdam Sailing Lists of 1709 (Holland), (2) The London Census of Palatines of 1709 (England), (3) The Hunter Subsistence Lists 1710-1712 (New York). . I say probably because its a line believed to connect to my line, from a group that went to NC. I would invite and encourage any Kobel (or similar spelling) male to join. WebGovernor Hunter's Ration Lists June, 1710 to September, 1714 Compiled from the records in London and Presented to the descendants of the Palatines by BOYD EHLE. Other Palatine families Im descended from include Feg/Feck, Koch, Helmer, Hilts, and Dornberger. Persons who have lately visited them say, "They are the most wealthy and prosperous farmers in the county of Limerick." Magdalena has an interesting story having lead the women in running the sheriff out of town. 2,600 Palatines, driven from their homes by the ravages of two wars and religious persecution ( the Palatinate is along the Rhine river ), arrived at Nutten Island ( Governors Island ). This gives you an idea of how small the neighborhood of St. Katherines actuallywas. belong to East Camp. The Kau-ta-tn-chunk (Kittatiny or Blue Mountain) extending from the Delaware hundreds of miles westwards, was not an insurmountable barrier - that they crossed and laid out farms where shortly afterwards they, their wives and children, were exposed to the torch, hatchet and scalping knife of the savages, and their midnight assault and slaughter. PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE APPLYING TO JOIN THE PROJECT. Weve continued to move west. In mid-April, 1710, almost a year after the first migrants had arrived in London, a convoy bearing the 3000 Germans and New Yorks Governor Hunter left England. Roberta, once more you have created magic. C. E. Historians In 1709, when the Palatinates were living at St. Katherines by the Tower, a beautiful church and hospital were locatedthere as well, known as St. Katharines Church. Y DNA is always passed from father to son, generally along with the surname. Did you ever get farther back than Melchor? 1231, the other (1230) is the ledger, each name being Thanks for bringing back memories of the docks at St. Katharines, as Ive been there on business. You can click to enlarge. On my fathers side my grandmothers parents were mostly derived from Palatine immigrants. The other dissatisfied Germans at Schoharie, who did to choose to follow their friends to Pennsylvania sought for and found a future home on the frontier in Mohawk Valley. Any how, sorry if I rambled. Various influences were brought to bear upon the increase of the influx. Strassburger, Ralph Beaver; edited by William John Hinke. Perhaps we could compare notes. Daniels family was number 117 on Governor Hunters subsistence lists. The first went to Ireland, the second to Carolina and the third to New York with the new The site of the old Wesleyan Chapel where the Palatines worshipped may be seen today, also some of the old Palatine houses. You can find it under Geographic projects. A visit to Embury and Heck memorial church contains a horn blown by the burgermeister or Palatine leader to summon general meetings in the early days of the colony. Two thousand were consigned to the grave. This group is just starting up but people are joining and sharing their GEDmatch DNA kits. WebJohann Adam Haus, Year: 1709. Jones, Henry Z., Jr. "Some Newly-Discovered German Origins for the Palatine Families of New York-1710,", Remember even original sources may be wrong, Use family traditions as guides, never gospel, Follow your intuition as well as your intellect in genealogical searches, "List of Germans from the Palatinate Who Came to England in 1709,". There was mismanagement. Barbara Heck and Philip Embury were the founders of Methodism in the USA, a denomination which now has a following of several million. This proved difficult, as the Poor Palatines were unlike previous migrant groups skilled, middle-class, religious exiles such as the Huguenots or the Dutch in the 16th century. side of Hudsons River. .81 days from 25 June. The best way to start that search is to check the projects at Family Tree DNA, along with YSearch. They immigrated to America in the very late 1600s or possibly 1700s on the ship concord. A number of German families had located on the Monongahela as far up as Redstone, Brownsville, Fayette county. The Platines hereafter named for Daniel and his family appear on the first four London Provisioning Lists. The first went to Ireland, the second to Carolina and the third to New York with the new Governor, Robert Hunter. Given that I certainly cant test my Y DNA (females dont have Y DNA) for the 1709er lines, I need to find males who descend from these family lines to test. He was Johann Friedrich Haegar, the son of Johann Henrich Haegar and Anna Catherine Friesenhagen. It is a fish found in the Swiss lakes. Some of the inhabitants were massacred, others abducted. They eventually settled in the Schoharie area. The Moravians made no permanent settlement in Georgia. This has been a wonderful read this morning. Also, the book are looking for was published not long ago. In fact, decades later, many were still trying to obtain their free land to which they were just sure they were entitled. 14 days during which time they had little or no provision. The locality was unpropitious. 1695 In the 1830s, 185 families left Ireland and settled in Canada - mainly Ontario. Some of the German-speaking people that came to North America did not come directly. Its a lovely convoluted puzzle theyve given us to solve. You can see them behind Saids car, waiting patiently for me to get my ancestor-fix. Hunter's account against the Government for the subsistence to the Drollinger/Trollinger/Trolinger/Trulinger/Drullinger. His name was Daniel Thevoz. FYI, Nan was hard to find, but can be reached through the Jefferson County New York Genealogical Society (JCNYGS). This This does NOT increase the price you pay but helps me to keep the lights on and this informational blog free for everyone. 61 days 5th August to this day. On the day of our arrival, after finally finding our hotel, walking from a train station pulling heavy bags, we discovered that the travel agent had not made the reservation for the correct days. At Goshenhoppen there was a German Reformed church, organized as early as 1717. Not a few died from the ill-treatment received at the hands of the savages - some made their escape, and were dispersed in Canada. New York 24 December 1711. . St Johnsville NY Enterprise genealogy These two classes, Newlander and speculators, resorted to diverse arts in order to effect their purposes. My family later changed the spelling of our name to Zhe in the early 1860s; I havent been able to find out the reason for the change. At lunchtime its teeming with people in business attire from the office buildings. of heads of Palaten famileys and number of Persons in both Towns on ye west My Gedmatch ID is A206179; my sisters is M712835. May 1, 2023 7:30 am CT. This was a big one. The postcard below shows Cobleskill Creek in Coblesill, NY. Ill be writing about Jacob Kobels line soon. She published the list in an Appendix to: Frank Diffenderffer extensively documented the origins, reasons for leaving, escape routes and living conditions of these Palatine refugees throughout their journey: O'Neill and Hatcher prepared a study of the 1709ers who settled in Ulster County, see Ulster County, New York Immigration. WebPalatine Immigrant Index 1985-1995; Palatine Immigrant Index 1996-2017; Palatine Immigrant Index 2018-2021; Resources. But even those high expectations were shattered by the huge numbers who arrived, beginning earlier in the season than usual. p. By summer, some were moved to the fields and barns of Blackheath and Camberwell, now part of metropolitan London. Now all they could do was to wait forthe queento determine their fate. WebNumber of employees at Police Department Of Palatine in year 2017 was 109. locations are from the census reports in Doc. Thank you so much for this. Joshua Kockerhal, with a small band of his persecuted Lutheran brethren, embarked at London 1708, for New York, where they arrived in December, and shortly therafter he, with his little flock, settled on some lands up the Hudson river, which they had received from the crown of England. There they suffered great misery, in the midst of which, and by force of which, Walrath died. This page was last edited on 6 December 2022, at 01:08. (Best for messages specifically directed to those editing this profile. Im a direct descendant of Palatine Wilhelm Johann Pulver. From 1735, settlements in Pennsylvania multiplied rapidly; extended over vast regions, west of the Susquehanna, whither the Scotch-Irish had led the way. On the inward passage, and immediately on landing, seventeen hundred died. For now, Ive arranged an interlibrary loan but would love to have the copy since she details so much about the groups migration. In this act the Assembly promised also to find provisions, tools, etc, for three hundred persons for one year. Gerhart Walrath & Anna Maria Reffi are married. Before the Moravians came to Pennsylvania, a respectable number of Schwenkfelders and arrived, settling in Bucks and Philadelphia county, now Montgomery, Berks and Lehigh. While on a trip to Philadelphia with The Chief, Conrad Weiser met Benjamin Franklin. Of course, with his London driving experience, he knew exactly how to get to all the best places. (Even though Im not descended from the Wagners.). Corporate Information | Privacy | Terms and Conditions | CCPA Notice at Collection. In NY, the Palatines were expected to work for the British authorities, producing naval stores [tar and pitch] for the navy in return for their passage to NY.