DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. This video is currently unavailable. Thank you and well said. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. How is it that these women are paroled? Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. This woman was obsessed and jealous. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Then you claim this is an opinion. Patricia Rorrer: The Hang Up: Directed by Joe Berlinger, Catharine Park. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? A documentary on Youtube Judges for Justice shows a clear case of evidence tampering with regard to the hair. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! Since then our team has proven that Patricia is innocent. Answer 1 of 2: We are looking to get the ferry over to Helsinki from Tallin on 27th Dec 2020, so trying to establish if best to get an early (7am) ferry or a slightly later one depending on what time the shops/sight seeing attractions will be open - can anyone. It was a really perfect day with cloudless sky and temperature at about 20 C. I expected to be riding the local transportation a lot since my wife is not. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. November 2020; October 2020; September 2020; August 2020; July 2020; June 2020; May 2020; April 2020; March 2020; . Having read that and your most recent comment above, its clearly obvious youre a person of high educational standing and legal knowledge, which I fully respect. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Hoist by my own petard! There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. I dont think so. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence.. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. Patricia Rorrer was convicted in 1998 of murdering a young mother named Joann Katrinak as well as her 15-week old infant son. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. All this appears to leave a strong whiff of corruption emanating from the investigation authorities and DAs office. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. . How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. To be sure, an appellant does not have to *prove* (convince) of innocence to have been wrongfully convicted (even if they are in fact guilty but I digress). In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. Her non-serious but potentially fatal (proximity to artery) injury could have been a half-hearted suicide attempt if not intentional other-incriminating. It seems so, according to you. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, 7 Unnerving Facts About the Lindberghs and the Kidnapping, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Daniel and Cynthia McDonnell: Good Cop, Bad Wife. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. Stop. (Nope. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Clifford: I cant offer anything remotely novel or incisive. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Ep 205 - Clair Hour 1: Black or White TV-MA | 53 MINS | 2020 And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Did he go on to have any other children is later relationship(s), do we know? Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. The likelihood of a mad slasher invading the home, engaging in infanticide, over against her own perpetration, is almost nil. Its never been made clear. Or did they? Search is on. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. Patricia, who moved from PA to North Carolina, made long distance calls from her home practically every day, except for the time period between December 11 and 16. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Once you create your profile, you will be able to: I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Dance defense. Why? Its nine minutes into the video. Lehigh County Deputies escort accused murderer Patricia Rorrer, as she arrives for the beginning of her trial at the Lehigh County Courthouse in Allentown, on Friday, Feb. 6, 1998. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. THE COPS SET HER UP. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Search it out and check for yourself. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. New state, new man. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. Thus Im confident shes the perp probably mentally disturbed at the time (the thought of her rationally, coolly killing her babies is too horrible), though probably not to the standard for criminal mitigation. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Why not question some of this evidence? As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. SHAME ON THEM. Pal stays true. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Just one example. Im more sure of Routiers guilt. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Highly charged case. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. She was the one that left Andy! Patricia L. Rorrer was taken into custody from the Linwood home she shared with her boyfriend and 1-year-old daughter on June 24, 1997. You people are fighting a losing cause! That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. Superior Court states that Patricia Rorrer and Andy Katrinak's romantic relationship ended in May, 1993 only one year before the murders. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Some people are just monsters. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised.